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[personal profile] vyvyanx
Well, it seems to be the time for it. My grandfather died last night. That makes three deaths of my friends or relatives in the last four months.

I'm afraid I'm not as upset as I perhaps ought to be. My granddad was old, sick, and in constant pain. His life had become an unending struggle to remain independent in his own home, in spite of his infirmities, and to prevent well-meaning relatives and medical people from admitting him or his wife (herself in the later stages of Alzheimer's) to a care home. It was only in the last few months that he permitted a council health worker to come in each day and help them dress etc. My father said that when he last saw him, my granddad's conversation was characterised by an almost unbelievable degree of stubbornness and denial.

He must have had an amazing constitution, though. He smoked heavily and drank like a fish throughout his nearly 90 years, suffered repeated strokes over the last 15 years, but still soldiered on, defiant. He outlived his first wife (my father's mother) by about 35 years. He ran a men's outfitter's in London for many decades; after the Second World War, "patriotic" locals threw bricks through his windows due to his German surname (both his parents were German, and came over to settle here at the very start of the 20th century).

His name - also my name, of course - got him into a different sort of trouble actually during the War when he was captured and taken to a German POW camp. The commandant, on learning his name, said he was a traitor to his country for fighting on the Allied side, and would be shot in the morning. After a night in a cell, waiting to die, he was told that the commandant had gone to another camp on business, and his deputy took a more lenient view of the matter. So my granddad was not shot. Shortly afterwards, he escaped from the camp with a couple of other POWs and made it back across Europe to England. It sounds like the stuff of a film, but it really was part of the life of the cantankerous, yet often jovial, unashamedly racist and homophobic, yet unfailingly generous old codger who was my granddad.

My poor dad must be so upset. I wonder what sort of funeral arrangements will be made? My granddad wasn't remotely religious - he had nothing but rude and hostile words for any sort of spiritual belief - and neither are his children or stepchildren.

Date: 2004-12-06 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mobbsy.livejournal.com
Thanks for writing that, it gives quite a strong image of a fiercely independent man.

I know what you mean by "not as upset as I perhaps ought to be", I felt similarly at each of my grandparent's death, sad but not as upset as I thought was expected.

Date: 2004-12-06 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beckyc.livejournal.com
I'm sorry to hear of your loss.

I'm afraid I'm not as upset as I perhaps ought to be. My granddad was old, sick, and in constant pain.

If a person is old, sick and in pain, it seems entirely reasonable to be less upset than you think you should be at their passing. (In my rather limited experience it's far more upsetting to see them in pain than it is for them to not be in pain any more.)

Date: 2004-12-06 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com
*nods* When my paternal grandmother died, she had been ill for many years. My recollection of her was as an old, quite frail woman who was frequently unwell. The last time I saw her, a few months before she died, she was suffering from severe dementia and didn't even recognise her own children.

It's sad to see people deteriorate in that way. Sometimes when they die, it seems like they are being released from suffering.

My thoughts are with you and your family. I hope you find a way to celebrate his life and mourn his passing that he would have appreciated.

Date: 2004-12-07 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sphyg.livejournal.com
My sympathies. I wonder what the opinions are on middle-aged people who are sick and in pain.

Date: 2004-12-07 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vyvyan.livejournal.com
Thank you for your sympathy. I'm sorry if my comment upset you; it was only an attempt at understanding my own reaction, not a view on what anyone else ought to feel after a bereavement. I actually felt much more sad when a middle-aged friend and colleague of mine at Trinity died a couple of years ago after a protracted and painful illness, although I was still relieved that her suffering was over.

Date: 2004-12-08 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sphyg.livejournal.com
I wasn't upset, just thoughtful. I guess any relief from helpless suffering is a good (that's not the right word, but y'know) thing.

Date: 2004-12-06 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
I think theres a stage of illness where memories take over from where the person is as you remember them how you want to, rather than how they are...

Regardless, sorry for your loss and strength to your family at this time.

Date: 2004-12-06 04:05 pm (UTC)
sparrowsion: tree sparrow (tree sparrow)
From: [personal profile] sparrowsion
Condolences, and sympathy to those caring for his widow without such a strong support.

Date: 2004-12-06 04:15 pm (UTC)
sparrowsion: tree sparrow (tree sparrow)
From: [personal profile] sparrowsion
What I mean by that is: even if he was giving the impression of obstructiveness, experience of my father's parents suggests that her quality of life will have been a lot better, and the burden on carers a lot less, with him around.

Date: 2004-12-06 04:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] emperor
I'm sorry to hear that. Your tribute seems apt, though.

Date: 2004-12-06 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karohemd.livejournal.com
My condolences to you and your family.

I agree with [livejournal.com profile] mobbsy and [livejournal.com profile] beckyc.
When my grandmother (dad's mum) died, I was glad that her suffering was at an end. As I had been waiting for the news for about six months, I was ready and relieved.
She had been full of life until suffering two strokes in a row, from the latter she never recovered, having lost both her will to live and her faith. As soon as I heard that, it was clear to me that she wouldn't be there for very much longer because she had nothing to hold onto anymore. However, she did wait until I was there for my summer holiday and then passed away the morning after my visit.

Date: 2004-12-06 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] acronym.livejournal.com
My condolences to you and yours, and I echo what's been said above.

Date: 2004-12-06 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mtbc100.livejournal.com
): Thanks for such an interesting entry.

My parents are both the eldest surviving member of their immediate family.

Date: 2004-12-06 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvetfox.livejournal.com
I'm sorry we had to wait for his death to hear about his strength. Offering comforting hugs.
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